if it's not susan rice as secretary of state. >> john kerri. right? >> bill: i think so. >> doesn't the party owe him? doesn't barack obama owe him? >> bill: i think so, and i believe he would sail through. >> yeah. yeah. yeah. >> getting through. in the opens up a senate race in massachusetts and some democrats are saying we can't do that because that means scott brown would automatically get in. would he? >> no. not necessarily. although i think he would do better in a experienced election than a general election. he obviously has campaign apparatus, name id, et cetera, et cetera, thru br other candidates. it's not a slam dunk for him at all. >> if you look at it it's a different time than when he first ran. >> uh-huh. >> and won. he's been there six years. however -- four years? >> four years. >> bill: but a different time. he would be up against a different candidate? >> uh-huh. >> it would have to be a better candidate than martha cokely and et cetera tarnished by having lost to the elizabeth warren? >> he would have to run again? when is kerri's